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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/14/2017 11:50 pm

Skariff, I've just been reading about yet another shooting spree...this one in California.

I can guess what Maisie (and a few others will) have to say... something along the lines of..."See I told you so! California is a liberal state, guns don't kill, people do. IT'S ALL THE LIBERALS FAULT!!!"

I'm pretty sure the dead and injured and their families, friends and neighbours don't give a damn what the killer's politics or beliefs were. It's heartbreaking and life-changing enough to have to deal with their devastating loss.

Until people start accepting and dealing with their responsibility in allowing these horrific events to happen, lives will continue to be lost... more and more each year. And all of it, simply because the gun lovers want to point the finger of blame at anyone but themselves.

“A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/14/2017 11:52 pm

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Go back to bed you old fossil.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/15/2017 3:18 am

Roy Moore stated his platform.....

"BRING GOD TO THE CAPITOL"


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/15/2017 3:32 am

The safest way to be when one believes there is a pervert behind every door.

Is to lock themselves in a closet!


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/15/2017 7:43 am

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Yes they are...by blocking any alteration to gun-laws you make yourself complicit in the murder of hundreds of Americans. You are sitting back allowing it to happen So, yes you are part of the problem.

Your head is so far up your arse, you'll be biting your tongue if you are not careful.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/15/2017 7:49 am

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"Guilt by association is meaningless, right Skariff ?"

And, of course, you never do that right maisie???

Only in every blog you write.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/15/2017 11:15 am

    Quoting  :

"I have never generalized about any group, unless they generalize about themselves."..


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/15/2017 12:05 pm

My reaction too too Sparkle!

These spring to mind...

"THE LEFTIES."
"The Muslims
"The Blacks"
"VEGANS"
"Lazy poor people"
The oldies and their puppy pics in SFF!!!!
Protesters...but only "leftie" protesters!!!
Anti - Gun folk
Pro-choice folk.
Lazy Mexicans.

SHE DOESN'T LIKE ANYBODY, really.

I could go on...but I can think of better things to do.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/15/2017 3:18 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    My reaction too too Sparkle!

    These spring to mind...

    "THE LEFTIES."
    "The Muslims
    "The Blacks"
    "VEGANS"
    "Lazy poor people"
    The oldies and their puppy pics in SFF!!!!
    Protesters...but only "leftie" protesters!!!
    Anti - Gun folk
    Pro-choice folk.
    Lazy Mexicans.

    SHE DOESN'T LIKE ANYBODY, really.

    I could go on...but I can think of better things to do.


I was once friends with this very controlling guy.....He wrote instruction booklets as part of his job. But he also wanted to be spontaneous and creative.....
He was in a band...A Rock/Blues band.....I knew all the guys in the band and they were always griping about how he was always laying down rules and always breaking them, somehow believing that only he could break them because he made them........He had a T-shirt with "Makin and Breakin The Rules".....printed.... black shirt with large white letters.......Easily readable by the audience......And he wore that shirt at every performance for years.........He was really proud of it.......Maisie has a shirt like that and wears it when she posts on this site...She seems to take great pride in that shirt......


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/15/2017 11:24 pm

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Boogie, it's good to hear some good common sense. To my thinking, the "gun issue" in America (or anywhere else, for that matter) is not a political or religious problem. It goes much further than that. It's a humanitarian problem.
There has always been a "gun problem" in America'' regardless of what political stance, religious creed, or whatever, is in favour.

When human beings are killed and injured, standing back and saying "Oh well, that's Chicago, for you" or saying it's a "mental health issue" or blaming "the authorities" for inaction... is not an option. Especially while, at the same time you are restricting the abilities of said "authorities" by denying them the right to put limits on gun sales.

I find it very sad that opposition to gun control and depriving people of proper health care (which would obviously be included) seem to go hand in hand coupled with denying benefits...even a living wage. All of it because some people don't want to pay taxes...takes precedence over human life.

How can any human being profess belief in "Thou shalt not kill" and do absolutely nothing to stop the killing. I am an atheist, even so I firmly believe in that rule...so, if I stand back...I am also part of the problem.

You are right, it's a thousand shades of grey


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/16/2017 8:10 am

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I didn't avoid the "issue", I ignored your "question" because you already know the answer I would give. But here's my answer anyway.

First... make gun laws the same in every state...and tighten them up. Make assault weapons impossible to sell to the public. Who really needs AK-47'S and worse? It's no good talking about "protecting your country" and standing by doing nothing.

Second...create an agency to be solely responsible for policing those laws and investigating crimes associated with them. Another idea would be to have an agency (similar to the UK's NCA). Make domestic violence a major crime with
custodial punishment.

Third...if you think all mass shooters are mentally disturbed...why are you so intent on removing sensible health care for all?. Surely, common sense dictates that health care is more essential than ever, when so many Americans are so mentally ill that they have to go out and kill hundreds of their own people?
Not every mentally ill person kills...nowhere near it. But quite a lot of people make that or the actions of criminals an excuse for doing nothing.

I noticed where you said you chose to be on the opposite side from liberals because you "saw the way they were going" It couldn't be that it was just because you didn't agree with them ? And since you made that choice, in your mind, they have been to blame for absolutely everything that is wrong with your country. You don't even realise that whole mindset is completely impossible...nobody can wrong all of the time...nor right all the time, for that matter! People change, times change and human needs change.

BTW...does this sound as though I absolve myself from involvement?

How can any human being profess belief in "Thou shalt not kill" and do absolutely nothing to stop the killing. I am an atheist, even so I firmly believe in that rule...so, if I stand back...I am also part of the problem.

"You demand everyone admit that if others , not yourself , can't come up with solutions , they might as well have pulled the trigger themselves"

Yes...I DO believe that. Any decent human being would...It's our duty as part of the human race. Don't you?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/16/2017 12:47 pm

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I watched an interview with the guy whose truck was stolen by the perp and used for the first part of his killing spree.......To me, this short interview exposed the crux of the gun laws/mass shooting issues. The man's body language tone and words were very expressive........Keeping in mind that some of his neighbours had charged him with assault and cops had been called for possible domestic abuse, but did not gain entry, calling him "not police friendly" because he didn't open the door to them.......Didn't they consider that there might be a woman in there being abused?........Not Police Friendly? WTH.......

So this young man said that they had heard many gunshots the day before that put them on edge, but there were often gunshots in their neighbourhood because people liked target-shooting...........

Now, the pro-gun people are saying that there are strict gun laws in California,
therefor stricter gun laws wouldn't help lower the death rate from gunshots.
I gotta say......This is horrifying to those of us who live in countries where people can't and/or don't think it's OK to shoot of guns as a sport in a neighbourhood......One tries to imagine living in this atmosphere where it's normal to be surrounded by trigger-happy folks just shooting it up for entertainment.......especially if you have a neighbour who is a felon with a history of violence...........It was just this summer that I heard a news report about a toddler who picked up a gun his father was using for target practice and accidentally shot his father........something he will live with all his life.......

It's not just those who get bullets in their bodies that are victims, but all those who are psychologically and emotionally scarred..........Children who grow up in an atmosphere where gun deaths and injury could happen anytime, to anyone.....A threat of violence hanging over the heads of children for a lifetime.........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
11/16/2017 1:50 pm

In my previous comment first paragraph, I meant the neighbours had charged the perpetrator with assault.....not the neighbour being interviewed......Sorry about that.....typing in a hurry.


Rentier1

12/21/2017 10:33 am

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I didn't become more consrvative, just more pragmatic.

With age and experience I have a better idea of what works and what goes not measure up to the mark.