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dinty3 80M
3364 posts
1/13/2018 10:06 am

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So many to choose from, just pick one and you won't be wrong.


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
1/13/2018 3:53 pm

As an FYI....This is all over our news (in Canada) as well. In addition, today I saw the protesters in Italy & Germany (the other day in France). Yes, we get world news by the hour. Many European countries no longer want refugees/immigration and, as a matter of fact, in Germany their signs were specific about colour, race etc. Mind you the word 'shithole' wasn't used but reference was made thereof!!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/13/2018 6:55 pm

Although Trump's language is vulgar, That doesn't bother me as much as the meaning of his words. He's saying that people don't have inherent worth....that their worth depends on what country they were born in.

Trump's remarks are revealing of a mind oddly uneducated for a man of his background.There are many examples of his unbelievable ignorance. It seems it must be indicative of his general ignorance, which, considering his circumstances, must stem from a total lack of intellectual curiosity and consideration for others. He has stepped in it too many times for his ignorance to be coincidental.


Archer62 83F
7072 posts
1/14/2018 6:18 am

It is said China has sent over 3 million agricultural workers to Mozambique alone. And I dare say education is a major cause in many African countries, I sponsored a girl in Burkina Faso for several years, she got to 9th grade, an achievement there for many kids.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/14/2018 9:49 am

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Never been to Minneapolis?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/14/2018 10:01 am

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In the aftermath of WW2, Norway was a shithole country and hundreds of thousands of Norwegians immigrated to the US........I don't know how many Tahitians and Africans immigrated to the US around the same time, but I would challenge you or anyone to show that the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are not now equally valuable citizens of the USA.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/14/2018 12:29 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    In the aftermath of WW2, Norway was a shithole country and hundreds of thousands of Norwegians immigrated to the US........I don't know how many Tahitians and Africans immigrated to the US around the same time, but I would challenge you or anyone to show that the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are not now equally valuable citizens of the USA.
It's an irrelevant argument. To create an argument.

In the late forties, immigration value results were more defined by the assimilation, than the value judgement of the result... so it depends on how you look at it.

In the fifties and sixties.. American idealism... was not practiced. The assimilation of a people depended more on America's view of those people's own culture, ethnicity and origin than American idealism. Tahitians and Africans were put behind the eight ball. With that kind of struggle, for most, whatever they do, becomes even a greater value.

Even though we don't acknowledge it, Even though it seems the division is greater, even though, today, the playing field is still uneven. It's a heck of lot more fair than it was in the fifties. Africans and Tahitians who immigrate today... have a much better chance of success. That was until Trump, wants to bring us back to the fifties.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/14/2018 1:59 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    It's an irrelevant argument. To create an argument.

    In the late forties, immigration value results were more defined by the assimilation, than the value judgement of the result... so it depends on how you look at it.

    In the fifties and sixties.. American idealism... was not practiced. The assimilation of a people depended more on America's view of those people's own culture, ethnicity and origin than American idealism. Tahitians and Africans were put behind the eight ball. With that kind of struggle, for most, whatever they do, becomes even a greater value.

    Even though we don't acknowledge it, Even though it seems the division is greater, even though, today, the playing field is still uneven. It's a heck of lot more fair than it was in the fifties. Africans and Tahitians who immigrate today... have a much better chance of success. That was until Trump, wants to bring us back to the fifties.
" In the fifties and sixties.. American idealism... was not practiced." I don't know what you mean by that.......When my parents were looking internationally for a new home in the 50s, the government issue pamphlets they received from the US government expressed an uncomfortable amount of American idealism......American exceptionalism......that did not sit well for those who had seen the results of that kind of thinking in Germany.....They wanted no part of it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/14/2018 2:42 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    " In the fifties and sixties.. American idealism... was not practiced." I don't know what you mean by that.......When my parents were looking internationally for a new home in the 50s, the government issue pamphlets they received from the US government expressed an uncomfortable amount of American idealism......American exceptionalism......that did not sit well for those who had seen the results of that kind of thinking in Germany.....They wanted no part of it.
Was not practiced? what do you think that means. Those that preach religion, yet don't practices it. says something about them... but not about religion.

It means it was said but not done.

You, like those who you oppose, cannot think without labels.
You throw out the baby with the dirty bath water....

People don't have to like it, but to be a true American you have to accept it. Although many would denounce you for your Anti-Americanism. They don't practice what they preach.. but even so....It's Americanism that should tell them you are allowed to be Anti-American vocally.

Maybe you can't see it with America, but it's easily seen with the way you view Christianity. There is very little doubt that American idealism is based on Christian principles. So it's not a far stretch that denying one , denies the other.

Next time you come across the dirty water... I'd like to POINT IT OUT to you, and NOT chastise you..That before you throw it out... check to see if there a baby...and more important check to see if it's your OWN baby.

Some could say...... you blame the many for the few.
I say you think the many are the few.....with few exceptions....


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/14/2018 3:07 pm

Everybody, but the same few, deny Trump... Everybody, but same few, deny that Trump is not what America is.. Everybody, but the same few, have the same fear that Trump will represent US to the rest of World

The rest of the world, has a right to believe that, but don't try and tell those that oppose it.. IT"S A FACT. For we are the many....And WE ARE AMERICA.

I tell you what ... if Trumps support ever go over 50%.. I'll agree with you... but for now.. I'm so pissed off and disappointed in 30% of US that it's hard for me to see straight....anyone who throws me in with THEM.. is going to piss me off too.

If it wasn't for American idealism. I wouldn't be here writing this... I'd be trying to squash THEM... like a bug. But right now, we're all bugs.... If they get over 50%, to accept Trump as America... I will no longer be American... I'll become a windhield, and they all will become a bug...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/14/2018 3:44 pm

We had a revolution that was based on taxation without representation...

The next revolution is going to be representation without representation..

Our system of elected official is a proxy system. We give our representation a proxy., and a Constitutional rule book....It is not our obligation to them....It's their obligation to US. They don't represent US, They are OUR representative. It's not even a two way street.. It's one way street, and it goes OUR way not Theirs.
They don't tell us what WE are suppose to think... WE tell them... what they are suppose to do.
It's based on trust, those who abuse our trust, like Trump, are set on for the trash heap of history.

Those who believe in Trump, and believe he represents America....denies the rest of US...... Denies "all men are created equal"....... Denies American idealism for American nationalism..... Denies the Truth... Good luck with that... I suggest you load up your guns, and then you'll find out. what our forefather meant by " the Right to Bear Arms.."


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/14/2018 4:00 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Was not practiced? what do you think that means. Those that preach religion, yet don't practices it. says something about them... but not about religion.

    It means it was said but not done.

    You, like those who you oppose, cannot think without labels.
    You throw out the baby with the dirty bath water....

    People don't have to like it, but to be a true American you have to accept it. Although many would denounce you for your Anti-Americanism. They don't practice what they preach.. but even so....It's Americanism that should tell them you are allowed to be Anti-American vocally.

    Maybe you can't see it with America, but it's easily seen with the way you view Christianity. There is very little doubt that American idealism is based on Christian principles. So it's not a far stretch that denying one , denies the other.

    Next time you come across the dirty water... I'd like to POINT IT OUT to you, and NOT chastise you..That before you throw it out... check to see if there a baby...and more important check to see if it's your OWN baby.

    Some could say...... you blame the many for the few.
    I say you think the many are the few.....with few exceptions....
I see, so the information packages the Government sent to inquiries from foreigners who considered immigrating to the US do not constitute "practice.".....What an odd analogy that equates your country's stated ideals to a Religion.......There are millions of Americans who don't think that American idealism is based on Christian principals, and think instead that your founding fathers very explicitly avoided the mention of Religion. Most of them were not Christians, but Deists.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/14/2018 4:27 pm

So go ahead purposely don't get it.

You are confusing practices with idealism... I keep saying practice is not idealism
You keep saying idealism is practices.

You choose to label us by our practices. and so it is.. how easily you can label US by Trump...

"There are millions of Americans who don't think that American idealism is based on Christian principals, and think instead that your founding fathers very explicitly avoided the mention of Religion. Most of them were not Christians, but Deists".

The thing about our forefather.. is over 200 years ago... they understood religion.. better than you.. they understood the different between religious Idealism and religious practices. The separation of church and state.. was not about Christian idealism.. It was about Christian practices.
So most them were Christians and Deists.. Most of them understood the difference, between idealism and practices. the understood they could incorporate Christian idealism... but in good conscientious only incorporate "deist" practices.

I certainly don't think it's wrong of you.. It's what I expect...AS I and others here, judge YOU.. not by your idealism, but by your practices here. I at least get a glimpse of it, others don't even know it exists.

Just don't tell me America's idealism is America's practices......Don't tell me that's a fact.


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
1/14/2018 6:05 pm

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Yes, MySeek, I fully agree... unfortunately that is what's happening here. I certainly wouldn't want to be a teacher in any of the schools here, not now. They announced recently in our papers that the City of Toronto's minority (folks mostly like myself) are at an all time low of 46% of the population. God knows what it will be in another 5 years from now!!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/15/2018 6:46 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So go ahead purposely don't get it.

    You are confusing practices with idealism... I keep saying practice is not idealism
    You keep saying idealism is practices.

    You choose to label us by our practices. and so it is.. how easily you can label US by Trump...

    "There are millions of Americans who don't think that American idealism is based on Christian principals, and think instead that your founding fathers very explicitly avoided the mention of Religion. Most of them were not Christians, but Deists".

    The thing about our forefather.. is over 200 years ago... they understood religion.. better than you.. they understood the different between religious Idealism and religious practices. The separation of church and state.. was not about Christian idealism.. It was about Christian practices.
    So most them were Christians and Deists.. Most of them understood the difference, between idealism and practices. the understood they could incorporate Christian idealism... but in good conscientious only incorporate "deist" practices.

    I certainly don't think it's wrong of you.. It's what I expect...AS I and others here, judge YOU.. not by your idealism, but by your practices here. I at least get a glimpse of it, others don't even know it exists.

    Just don't tell me America's idealism is America's practices......Don't tell me that's a fact.
I don't think you understand anything as well as you think you do....Your idealism of seeing all facets of any situation constantly collapses into confusion.......Your opinions are only that, just like the rest of us, yet you make sweeping declarations........You are also judged by your practices on this site, which includes dragging others through the self-indulgent morass of you second-guessing yourself endlessly only to create confusion and brittle boredom in others who want to give you the benefit of the doubt and attempt to understand........Your idealism of clarity expressed in a practice of confusion and if anyone crosses you, you rise up and declare the superiority of your process......Whatever dude.


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
1/15/2018 7:41 pm

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Totally agree!!
A few days ago an 11 year old Muslim girl on her way to school with her younger brother, claimed that some crazy Asian was chasing her with a pair of scissors & cut off her Hijab; her brother and her spoke to the media. Our Prime Minister, our Premier of Ontario plus our local major all spoke out against this horrific incident that just occurred to this poor young girl. In addition, she also claimed that once her Hijab was cut, that he chased her again to repeat what he had done. This confused the masses and I began thinking as I had my doubts about this story at the onset. Oh and the mother had also been on camera with her daughter & son.
Then today, it was all over the news across the Globe that it was a hoax. I am so furious to think that everyone including our police service, had been duped! ! Prime Minister Trudeau is totally ignoring the real issue, which is that someone – or a group of people – created a fake incident.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/16/2018 5:03 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    " In the fifties and sixties.. American idealism... was not practiced." I don't know what you mean by that.......When my parents were looking internationally for a new home in the 50s, the government issue pamphlets they received from the US government expressed an uncomfortable amount of American idealism......American exceptionalism......that did not sit well for those who had seen the results of that kind of thinking in Germany.....They wanted no part of it.
You think I am giving you answers.. like you try to give me.

I don't deny your truth about me... decisions are tough, very little is absolute, You got to try, fail, and then try again.....It is confusing.
A confusion I try to solve. you just wallow in it.

What's confusing to me... is why you don't do it... why do you think everything you say is right, why you NEVER challenge yourself
What other people don't understand here... IT doesn't matter to me, if you agree with me or don't agree with me.. think whatever you want.......BUT THINK.....Challenge yourself... so I don't have to.|

Don't kid yourself.. that my disgust for maisie.. for not thinking for herself, not challenging herself.. is because i disagree with her issues.. And don't think, that because we agree....I wouldn't feel the same way about you.
I keep saying the issues don't matter, but the way you think of them does.
You and maisie, both think the issues are the ONLY things that matter.


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
1/16/2018 5:04 pm

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We see a lot about Merkel in our news but it appears that your description of Sharia law as it exists in Germany is spilling into parts of Canada, particularly in some corners of this city... scary!!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/16/2018 5:34 pm

Sparklefit..

I can't deal with you and maisie differently...
Sometimes, and it's not very often.. I think what maisie says is a lie. I never think that about you.
But both of you think.... I deny your truth...WTF is that? ....Because I don't agree with it... in total...
For the most part I don't disagree with either, you or maisie, on the issues..
I don't try to deny your positions .. I try to add to them
You say that the forefathers were not Christians but deists... Is say that the forefathers were Christian and deists. I didn't deny they were deists? So WTF?

Finally what really pisses me off.. is you have the audacity to attack me in the same manner maisie attacks me.. Writing skills, Grammar, spelling, confusion, elitism.. WTF is that?.... mindless clutter, Agreement with that you disagree?
Good one... you and maisie.... solving problems is not your forte... creating them are.

My example, I don't disagree with your view on Christianity.......But what you do almost everyday and every way is your ideas on Christianity... SUCK! It has nothing to so with what you think... It's the way you think of it... It hateful and hurtful....SOLVES NOTHING, and tries to punish. The ironic thing about the way a person thinks about one thing...is the way, they think about everything.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/17/2018 9:18 am

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Sorry about that, Skariff, I let it go too far......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/17/2018 9:30 am

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Okay.. I'm done..

But it's not personal differences.. It's a different way at looking at things.
It' not personal...Although it may seems, I'm attacking her.. I'm not.. I'm attacking everybody, who refuse to think about it.
There are three people who don't conform to the norm.. by they WAY I see it.
YOU, Katie and Leaf..
You and Katie... because you think about it.. with or without me. It's because I read your blogs
leaf, because he thinks about it with me. it's because I read his response to me.
There are others, that i think get it..Like Rentier and Tx.. Don't have to know for sure, but all I have to do with them.. is think it, to know it. There's some, I left out ,but if i don't know it... So I can't think of it.


WillyMakit 70M
2745 posts
1/28/2018 5:03 am

LMAO...he was talking about the shitholeS they live in...you never have to wonder what's on DJs mind...he's gonna tell ya...as for myself...i think they live in shitholes too...he asks questions and says things a lot of us only think...and ya know what they say...

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