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MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
3/9/2018 6:03 am

The degrading of men started a long time ago, quite subtly as humor and has progressed quite steadily.
I did get some flowers yesterday though.......... some I bought for myself. They were shades of purple and had a little purple sign in them proclaiming national women's day. But that isn't why I bought them. I had two days of testing at the hospital, plus doing the shopping while I was in the city, and I decided I deserved flowers and they were the prettiest bouquet at Kroger's.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


hermitinthecity 70M
1696 posts
3/9/2018 6:17 am

A lot of men are opting out of stressful work and marriage as they see no future in providing for a family that's going to have a high probability of being taken from them. You wouldnt take up sky diving with these odds, guys are thinking why risk your life with the bad odd of failed marriages?

Many are going alone letting the women have it all in business. Stats show single men are happier in a low paid job, they can live on less money without a family, travel, have small house, a car etc on an average wage. Successful women always want a man their equal or up (hypergamy). Problem is that the number of eligible men at the top is limited normally anyway, let alone when guys opt out. It's a growing trend.

The girls that liked 'bad boys' in their teens and early 20's who want to settle down in late 20's 30's are avoided like the plague by the 'nice guys' these girls avoided earlier. They've wrecked their own marriage pool of available men. Most guys are not stupid. It seems the most men who get married and have kids are on welfare because they've not much to lose if it falls apart. The highly educated lady had a very little group of men to choose from. She should have chosen the housewife role in the beginning and been a lot happier. One thing feminism has done is it has liberated men. lol

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
3/9/2018 8:16 am

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Smiling here..... there sure are a lot studies going on now-a-days, isn't there? It seems anyone can find a study to prove his/her viewpoint on any subject there is!

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
3/9/2018 8:21 am

    Quoting hermitinthecity:
    A lot of men are opting out of stressful work and marriage as they see no future in providing for a family that's going to have a high probability of being taken from them. You wouldnt take up sky diving with these odds, guys are thinking why risk your life with the bad odd of failed marriages?

    Many are going alone letting the women have it all in business. Stats show single men are happier in a low paid job, they can live on less money without a family, travel, have small house, a car etc on an average wage. Successful women always want a man their equal or up (hypergamy). Problem is that the number of eligible men at the top is limited normally anyway, let alone when guys opt out. It's a growing trend.

    The girls that liked 'bad boys' in their teens and early 20's who want to settle down in late 20's 30's are avoided like the plague by the 'nice guys' these girls avoided earlier. They've wrecked their own marriage pool of available men. Most guys are not stupid. It seems the most men who get married and have kids are on welfare because they've not much to lose if it falls apart. The highly educated lady had a very little group of men to choose from. She should have chosen the housewife role in the beginning and been a lot happier. One thing feminism has done is it has liberated men. lol
Quite and interesting and plausible take on the subject..... and one that I wouldn't dispute. I often wonder about women, and men, in some of those highly paid, success driven positions. Are they really "happy". Of course, "happy" is viewed differently by people, but perhaps peace is a better word. Since happiness is subject to surrounding circumstances, I would chose peace and joy over a transient emotion. I have found an abundance of those in my simple life.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
3/9/2018 8:35 am

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True, but we also had the situation comedy shows that made the women an important and stabilizing factor in the family. Then we started seeing men as the buffoon, and kids as mouthy and disrespectful. Question of chicken and egg.... does art forms reflect society or does society begin to reflect the art forms?

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/9/2018 11:14 am

Why in the world would you post this blog the day after Women's Day?......You are so predictable, always framing your blogs in extremist terms, with not a nuance in sight. You express a static world........a world that's dependent on everything and everyone maintaining their role, that it is preordained to the generic rather than to the situational. In this world-view, failure becomes harder to confront because it places an inordinate amount of energy on being right. It's a sad default setting.......it denies the complexities of the world.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
3/9/2018 4:45 pm

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Are you kidding me? You're saying a man needs to make more money than his female counterpart in order to maintain his mental health? What "active campaign" is "feminizing" men in the US?


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
3/9/2018 6:39 pm

Thanks, Maisie..... great blog and oh so true here in Canada as well... BTW your comments about our PM Trudeau is too funny & so true... we get lots of laughs here too (at his expense)!! He claims to be a feminist and continues to prove that (he thinks) by attending at mosques where women are forced to pray on another floor. But the day following Women's Day, he once again needed to prove his feminist side by appointing a female as the 24th Commissioner of the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police)... Sources say a lack of leadership in the role has paralyzed parts of the RCMP who are facing a staffing crisis and members still grappling with issues of discrimination, sexual harassment and misconduct. She is undoubtedly a hard worker with many years of dedicated service but the position has always been known as a male dominated one. What a huge surprise to not only the RCMPs but also to many Canadians. Oh well c'est la vie... something their brotherhood (& sisterhood) will have to learn to live with!


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
3/10/2018 8:46 am

My late husband suffered from a somewhat low self esteem and a co-dependent personality early in our marriage. It wasn't something major, but the more I got to know him, it became evident to me, and it was really highlighted when I became a nurse. To him, I was in the PROFESSIONAL world, and he was afraid that I would "move beyond" him and our life together.
It took awhile, but by reinforcing his importance to me, the family, and his position on his job, and by the grace of God, he began to understand his worth and accept who he was. Had I been a more "modern" feminist, I could have easily reduced him to a purse carrying puppet, who was subservient...... but I wanted a real man as my partner, and I wanted HIM, so I worked to help him become who he was capable of being.
To me, that is one of the attributes of a strong "real" woman..... someone who can bring out the best in others without feeling threatened by their success.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/10/2018 10:06 am

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Well, exactly Maisie......You are incapable of self-reflection, as you demonstrate every day on this site.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/10/2018 6:16 pm

Maisie......Why aren't men standing up for themselves? Why are they dependent on women to do the work?........I have served on the steering committees and later board of directors for organizations that help women.....that we worked for years to find the funding and the acceptance of communities.There were daycare centres, sexual assault and abuse counselling centres, a general "women's centre" and safe houses for women and children escaping from violent men............Manning the front desk at the "Woman's Centre", many men came to whine that we didn't do anything for men....."Why aren't there and Men Centres we deserve help too" etc....etc......We patiently explained that if they want to put together a steering committee and have meetings Roger's Rules and discussions and come to group decisions on what they want and need, then apply for grants and recruit volunteers and plan fund-raising events and finally, after years of hard work, finally get enough money for office space and start one program and on that basis file more grant applications and never have enough money to do anything besides crisis intervention.......go ahead....then you can deal with the legalities and the landlords and more crisis and go out on the street to beg for money to pay your people......go do it........That;s how women got it done.......And now, the organizations we built to help women who were sexually abused are serving men as well.......maybe the women's centres should start counselling services for men who are traumatized from earning less than their wives.....


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
3/10/2018 7:41 pm

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Yes, thank you....totally agree.... you reiterated my thoughts!!!


Rentier1

3/11/2018 5:22 am

I agree with Maisie.
At one time we men ran 98% of things.
Now it's down to 95.

I don't like the trend.


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
3/11/2018 8:08 am

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A prime example of that was when there was a push for more diversity in the workplace. A local heavy equipment manufacturer already hired men of all colors, but the new push was for women..... not a real good fit out on the factory floor of that particular kind of manufacturing. Other factories in the area had a lot of women workers, but they were physically less demanding types of work.
Anyway, there were some women hired, and only a few could actually do the work. The ones who couldn't usually quickly left. One who couldn't went to the company and complained because the men would not help her lift things up to the work table and the company bosses tried to tell the men in that work area that they must help her. They refused, because they didn't have to help men do it, so why should they stop their work and help her. The union agreed with the other workers, and the woman was basically told if she couldn't do the job, she should quit and she did.
She made quite a show of the fact she was being discriminated against because she was a woman and because she was black. It was surmised that she had just intended to cause issues and perhaps sue the company, but without the union backing her up, it turned into nothing. Her claims were void because there were many black people who worked there and some women were able to do the job, including some black women.
I often wonder if that had happened today, instead of over 20 years ago, with all the social media and lawyers who seem to love to take on these cases, if she would have succeeded?


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/13/2018 8:27 pm

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Is there a problem with your reading comprehension? I describe how Women took action to help themselves.....that's not whining and crying......and look at you.......you're whining and crying that men can't help themselves because it's not socially acceptable ? Do you think that Women waited until it was socially acceptable to complain ?..........

But apparently, instead of taking action, you have recruited your wife to do the whining and complaining on your behalf.......LOL...She probably holds your balls while you shop..........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/14/2018 8:03 pm

Wow, talk about snowflakes.......boo ffing hoo!!!!