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5/20/2018 5:38 am |
The obvious answer to school shootings is to arm all students.
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Surely you're not so naive as to think that every household has a father, or well-functioning parents..........You cannot legislate parenting.....Or is your solution to just sit back and reel off what you think people should do......
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5/20/2018 3:13 pm |
All the talk talk talk talk about gun control, mental aspects of gun control, social media, parenting etc. is beyond ridiculous because something is needed NOW not sometime down the road. Congress needs to start the process tomorrow of building one way in one way out fences, installing metal detectors, hiring qualified armed guards (not volunteer retirees) etc. Federal funding is the only way it can happen, school districts can't do it. And sure everything about partisan politics right? Because Dems did nothing when they controlled Congress, that's a good excuse for Trump doing nothing? You voted to get your country back .. you voted to make America great again. Let see it! Where's the first billion dollars coming from?
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For starters, stop putting restrictions on abortion......have practical sex education, birth-control education and make birth-control more available..You want to force people who know they will make terrible parents to be parents and then say it serves em right for having sex.....You favour laws that prevent people from having abortions, but are against laws that prevent the murder of those kids after they're born.......You think your right to own a gun is greater than the right to choose when to become parents......I will never understand that.
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Politicizing the gun issue? There are people who believe guns are part of the problem. There are people who believe guns are not the problem. There are people who believe ANY answer to the problem is the right answer There are people who believe EVERY answer to the problem is the wrong answer. There are people who want to DO SOMETHING There are people who want to DO NOTHING So let me get this straight abut politicizing the issue..... People who want to do something.......trying to get people who want to do nothing is politicizing the issue?.....because the people who want to do nothing..believe doing nothing is doing something? Like protecting their Second amendment RIGHT to do nothing.
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Really? That's the limit of your understanding?......My comment was in response to your comments that the shootings are the fault of bad parenting and the breakdown of the nuclear family.......Forcing people who don't want to be parents to be parents, like single women or women in abusive relationships, or teens, obviously doesn't make for good parenting.......Speaking of staying up all night to think........Maybe if you thought about the difference between an elective abortion of a fetus and the death of a living, breathing, beloved child, instead of jumping on the pro-life/ pro-gun bandwagon you might actually realize what a disastrous contradiction that is.
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Let me add something to that.. maisie, Trump and the their minions....make this political.. Not the liberals. There are certain subjects.. Guns, DACA, the Budget, Entitlements, Tax cuts, Healthcare, and Infrastructure...... Where the left believes ANY compromise is a GOOD compromise, For them it's more about what they get.. than what they give up It's become political and and a fight....Only because of the Rights idea.....That Any compromise is a BAD compromise.. And it's more about what you give up..than what you get......Because the only RIGHT thing is to get it all..The only RIGHT thing is to WIN.. and the only RIGHT thing is to NEVER give-up, and NEVER give in.
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There's phony baloney with Trump..and his idea of compromise.... DACA and Healthcare are the best examples.. is simply PRETENDING to give up something to get it all.... when in reality he's giving up NOTHING...It's leverage and blackmail.. that "costs' him nothing....except his pretending may "sometimes" fool even those that support him.. This is where Loyalty and Trust come into play for Trump and his supporters....You GOT to believe in him.....Don't be fooled by what he says or you think he's doing. He has his reasons....and those reasons conform to why his supporters elected him, so he thinks.....And his pretending is only just that... PRETENDING to be President.
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Well.. We can always find people with an agenda. Many Democrats have an agenda.. But making those people representative of the entire group is not viable. Just like making those who are partisan, biased and political in the FBI, CIA and DOJ....Representative of a "DEEP STATE" it doesn't work. For almost everybody.. the politics of it.. is to Do Something or Do Nothing. No matter the "agenda" that some on the Left may have... It's just the same "how", but the opposing "what".. as the "how" and "what" "you folks" on the Right have!..... but here's the deal........Doing Nothing is not a leg you can stand on... I'd be remiss if I didn't point something out to you.....Your agenda is NOT the Right's agenda.... You're just fooling yourself.. as those on the Left with an agenda are fooling themselves. there is no alt-Right or Alt-Left that is meaningful. It's just US. "Abortion , according to Bill Clinton, abortion should be safe, legal and RARE. Not a form of birth control" maisie... The hypocrisy is amazing.....Using a truth to promote a lie. Nobody forcing anybody to do anything...WTF? Do you think repealing Roe v Wade is? ..Pro-Choice?.... Yes...Only as long it's YOUR Choice Your agenda, like Trump's, that doesn't fight fear and hate.. but uses it... is a sad commentary of how far this country has come... So don't tell me you don't 'force" people to do something...That exactly what you do, That's exactly what you want to do......How do I know that? Well.. you have forced the Left to use fear and hate too.......You force the Left not to compromise....You force sides, because that's the only way... YOU THINK you can WIN..That's the only way WINNING means anything to YOU..But, what you don't realize is the "how" you do it.. guarantees the "what" you want to do WILL FAIL.
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That's a simple idea...Secure the Schools....... Our Schools Need to be secured..... Because there is no such thing as a "safe place"...... Bar the windows, lock the doors, metal detectors, police on site, arm the teachers... Alarms, Build a police station next to every school.... heck.. arm all the kids...make them responsible to take care of themselves. make each kids his/her own deterrent to the crime.....Oh yes that's a message WE want to send... that's what's going to Make America Great Again.. Make America "safe" again. That's your answer to everything......Kill them before they kill YOU.. So yes. secured 132,000 schools , for the sake of being safe, and destroy the sense of feeling safe for the 62 million people who are at those schools.... Yep...fear and hate ...rears it's ugly head..... if not in the classrooms of 15 schools.. then in the other 129, 985 So we can forget that "safety" is not a reality.. It's not a State of mind.. It's not a peace that can come from within.... That it's more important to be safe.. than to feel safe.. So yes... your idea of securing the school..BITES....Your idea of Safety.. BITES... and you can just ...."BITE ME!"
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5/21/2018 2:32 pm |
That's a simple idea...Secure the Schools....... Our Schools Need to be secured..... Because there is no such thing as a "safe place"...... Bar the windows, lock the doors, metal detectors, police on site, arm the teachers... Alarms, Build a police station next to every school.... heck.. arm all the kids...make them responsible to take care of themselves. make each kids his/her own deterrent to the crime.....Oh yes that's a message WE want to send... that's what's going to Make America Great Again.. Make America "safe" again. That's your answer to everything......Kill them before they kill YOU.. So yes. secured 132,000 schools , for the sake of being safe, and destroy the sense of feeling safe for the 62 million people who are at those schools.... Yep...fear and hate ...rears it's ugly head..... if not in the classrooms of 15 schools.. then in the other 129, 985 So we can forget that "safety" is not a reality.. It's not a State of mind.. It's not a peace that can come from within.... That it's more important to be safe.. than to feel safe.. So yes... your idea of securing the school..BITES....Your idea of Safety.. BITES... and you can just ...."BITE ME!" There are thousands of gun control laws and the 2d amendment still stands. I want to see new gun laws updated to address social media. But I think students need protection now.
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I certainly don't disagree.. but I think I'd to change a word to take the ammunition from maisie... We all have the right to "feel safe".. any where we go....There are reasons why we may not feel as safe as we'd like to.. in some places we go... and so we take precaution or don't go.. It's our choice Almost all US feel safe in our own home...Whether you own a gun or not.. But it's not being safe... if someone breaks into your house and has a gun.. So would you be willing to give up the feeling of being safe in your own home. To protect yourself to be safe....When that protection, means you can't be safe, only in less peril.....and you no longer have a choice..... and NEVER again can have the same feeling, and the same right... to feel safe? Maise would tell you.... to be safe ...is to feel safe... It's a misnomer she uses because no matter what.. you can't REALLY ever be safe, not from everything..and especially from maisie........because the truth is, and maisies creates this truth.....If you're in peril..there nothing you do.. to feel safe... Except what maisie tries to tell you what that peril is ...and what to Do.... to feel "safer". You see.. maisie loves the peril, and we try to fight the peril...It's the way you get people to do stuff you want them to do..
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Jiminy, when's the last time you went to a State Fair. In my state there's one way in and one way out, you pass through a metal detector to get in, there are cameras, visible armed security as well as security in plain clothes. It's low key so not to distract from what's really going on ... the State Fair. There are thousands of gun control laws and the 2d amendment still stands. I want to see new gun laws updated to address social media. But I think students need protection now. Your first response put me on the track.........It never crossed my mind that your train would run over me.. So you go to the State Fair.. but you realize it's there..The security, of course, it doesn't matter to you, your not a terrorist or a killer.....It becomes acceptable..but is it? Is it acceptable to live our lives that way? Or just the reality of Life....is that reality of our life, the reality we would choose...or just a reality we can't do anything about? Now the big picture throughout my comments that I don't regurgitate every time I write a response, at least not word for word.. I'm for Doing something.. NOW.....as oppose to NOTHING, sooner or latter... Any guns control is good gun control, anything that allow US to feel safe is a good thing...Anything that eliminates fear and hate is a good thing.... Doing Nothing, does NO Good. Letting it evolve the way it's going, does NO good, Lying about it does NO good, and controlling people instead of guns... DOES NO GOOD..
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So you go to the State Fair.. but you realize it's there..The security, of course, it doesn't matter to you, your not a terrorist or a killer.....It becomes acceptable..but is it? Is it acceptable to live our lives that way? Or just the reality of Life....is that reality of our life, the reality we would choose...or just a reality we can't do anything about? Well here's the deal.. School Security is ALMOST the same thing as your State Fair Security...but you've been beaten down to acceptability......Our kids haven't, and you'd have them begin their lives that way.....just accepting thing the way they are, and not even trying to make things the way they could be. WE have been the luckiest generation of our country....only to become the unluckiest. We have forgotten what we learned..and relearned what we had chosen to forget.... WE got to realize what greatest is..and what once made AMERICA GREAT.... but we didn't end up buying it..... That greatest is in the idea of thing..and not in the size of things "Some men see things as they are, and ask why. I dream of things that never were, and ask why not". - Robert Kennedy
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You see... I'm cynical too, but I'm only cynical on the really, really big things Like Climate Change is but a blip on the radar.......A stitch in time, a repair that ain't going to build you a new wardrobe.. It is what it is.....Just the final finality, the destines destiny.....Sad but true. It's like death.. we can save time, we can try to hold back time... but we can't do anything about it. You can't live forever..because there is no forever, at least not for US....for all you got is what you got NOW.....and it goes by fast, a blip on the radar.....There ain't no tomorrow... after tomorrow Our function is to do.. not to wait.... Our meaning is to decide, not debate.... Our goal is not to change, but to try Our purpose is to live, not to die.. WE are all .....just one and the same Until the finger points.. who's to blame? . God grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference.
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Only a colossal idiot thinks that turning schools into fortified prisons with only one entrance/exit is the answer to the "gun problem". It hasn't even occurred to you that "shooters" can just wait outside the schools and pick kids off as they come out. Of course, by your "reasoning", they wouldn't be "school shootings" ...they'd only be "street shootings" because they take place outside of the school. "Nothing to do with schools at all" that's the crap you are spouting. As if it were ACCEPTABLE to kill schoolchildren in any place. I can't believe any decent human being could think like that, sadly I know you do... you've shoved your completely ignorant, idiotic "thinking" down our throats for years now. Who couldn't see it? The first rule of life is "Do no harm" that's what "Thou Shalt not Kill" means.
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For starters, stop putting restrictions on abortion......have practical sex education, birth-control education and make birth-control more available..You want to force people who know they will make terrible parents to be parents and then say it serves em right for having sex.....You favour laws that prevent people from having abortions, but are against laws that prevent the murder of those kids after they're born.......You think your right to own a gun is greater than the right to choose when to become parents......I will never understand that. I am sick of the endless idiocy of people who will not give other human beings the right to actually be human. Seems everyone is an imperfect sinner but them...they are the only perfect beings on the planet...even though their "thinking" is totally flawed and hypocritical.
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 I said nothing about letting shooters into schools...that's just how you chose to interpret what I actually said. The bottom line is that you couldn't follow through your thinking to what will inevitably be the consequence. Children streaming out of one exit, making it even easier for the gunman to pick them off from a distance, in the open where there is much less possibility of shutting him down BEFORE HE DOES TOO MUCH KILLING!!! Do you think that makes good common sense? I think it's completely idiotic... if not criminally insane!
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By the way...unless the "law-abiding gun owners" keep all guns under lock and key at all times...they are not actually being "law-abiding" at all. Keeping guns handy in every room is against the law. SO, what point is there in keeping guns "for protection"... when you could be dead before you can get them out of your (law abiding) safe storage.?
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5/22/2018 8:30 am |
And stock each classroom with body armour. Now that we know that the Mango Mussolini will pull US troops out of foreign conflicts, there should be a surplus that can go to public schools. Private ones will, of course, have to buy their own.
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