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MrsJoe 76F
17306 posts
4/10/2018 10:15 am

You stated and elaborated on what I just wrote on BB's blog. I really agree with your last two paragraphs.
We may or may not ever learn what they were looking for or what they confiscated.


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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/10/2018 1:36 pm


So, this Deep State you refer to......What and who does it consist of?.....Since the term is so highly subjective, a definition is needed for any communication to be possible.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/10/2018 6:53 pm

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How convenient for you.....


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/11/2018 11:08 am

The conspiracy of the conspirators.

You can't understand it......You are in such deep dodo....You won't know the deep state until it flushes you down the toilet..

The deep state is a creation of those who wish to create a deep state.

It's imaginary that all the people involved in the investigations are Deep Staters.

Your idea that people who believe they are doing the right thing...don't exist in the deep state... it's all a conspiracy.. everyone you mentioned is a conspirator..

Then almost everybody but you is a conspirator.. because only YOU knows what the Right Thing is.. and the fact is.......You ARE the conspirator.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/11/2018 11:23 am

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A Special investigator has single function.. that other functions cannot influence.

A special investigator....keep his investigation under wraps.. no leaks, no assumptions

A single minded person... who gets to the truth...

We really don't have clue what Mueller is doing.. and we shouldn't..
but sometimes you just got to trust in something..WE don't trust in politicians,

who's left to trust?.....Even if that trust is unwarranted....it's essential.. We got to trust in something.....

Now I don't have complete trust in Mueller.. but as far as this goes..., He's keeping his mouth shut ...So. I have more trust in him than anyone else, ....Mainly because.. when he opens it.. i will have no reason not to believe him .


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/12/2018 9:42 am

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Mueller almost has absolute power?

Power defined by a single entity.. the Russian interference investigation.

what he's doing. effects Flynn, Manafort, Page, Cohen, and some others.
but what he has done... doesn't really effect Trump at all. What Flynn, Manafort, Page and Cohen did is what effects Trump....

For the first time in a year.. Trump has actually been named, with Cohen as the Attorney for Trump. Mueller has never mentioned Trump until now..

Do you think it really matters anymore what Mueller comes up with about Trump involvement in the Russian interference? I don't...the harm has been done.. but not done by Mueller....He hasn't said a damn thing about it.. the truth when he does.. it won't matter.... You sit and babble about a witch hunt, and who's got the power, and that Mueller did it..You're SO WRONG....

So we actually two issues,, about Muellers investigation..that nothing he does is going to solve.
It's been stated clearly..... for those who wish to believe it.. It's been stated so to deter from Mueller's investigation, and Mueller's credibility..

without saying it ... YOU got to believe it.. to make your whole idea work..

There was NO Russian interference, beyond anything normally Russian...There was NO collusion...and because of that.. Flynn, Manafort, Cohen Page, and Trump are innocent.. and are being "witch hunted"

there's a couple of different views of power....
In regards to a Special Prosecutor.. that power is earned, and must be protected, must be bounded and restricted to keep the trust.
In regards to the President.. that power is in title. only...
Don't confuse the two..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/13/2018 9:41 am

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Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.......

Mueller does not have absolute power....Limitted power..

On of the tenets...can be describe in the "Lord of Rings".. Power has control over someone.. the loss of power and the obtaining of power go hand and hand. Trump believes he's got the ring....Mueller doesn't have squat didley, as to his title

Mueller, has an obligation to retain his power as does Trump... However Mueller's limited power...keeps a lid on what he can and can't do.. Trump has no such restriction.. The fact that he was "elected" proves it everyday, by his action and egotism... Once elected, the power given by some becomes unrestricted. Which brings US to The Russian investigation and back to Mueller..
From day one.. Trump's concern has been the "election".. It's legitimacy...
He's always had it bassackwards.. His legitimacy is not about the "election"...It's about his action in the service to the country. And so it is with Mueller... his legitimacy is not by appointment.. but by his actions. Mueller simply has a much higher standard for his use of power than Trump...
The idea you express that the "election" validate Trump's power.. but the appointment of Mueller does not validate his power... is EXACTLY what Trumps expects you to believe. It's what he believes..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/13/2018 12:44 pm

"legitimate power" given by the electorate..? Such an oymoron...

A truly mind boggling interpretation.. that tries to adhere itself to the Constitution..Yet is totally against the ideas the constitution represents.

the electorate is the appointee.. and the appointee is responsible..

Mueller was appointed. Trump was elected.. who thinks they have the greater validation? |to what level does Trump respect the electorate. and to what level does Mueller respect his appointee.. the amazing thing about it...is that because Trump was elected..he feels he has the power over Mueller's appointment.

All the legal actions become meaningless.. when it's about the struggle of power.. and the corruption that invokes

Mueller is not looking for power, Mueller doesn't even consider his power.
We know that because he's not ranting in the streets to keep it

Think of it..... "legitmacy of power".. What is That?
There is no such thing... but an attempt at the convolution of the Constitution?


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/14/2018 9:30 am

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So the recent talk is Trump's legitimate power to pardon anyone....
Now don't confuse power with legitimacy..

He has the power to do it.......but with that power . it's not up to him.. to assume it give him legitimacy........It just gives him the power..The action determines it's legitimacy, not the power....Just like your thoughts on Obama.
Of course Obama executive orders.. weren't legitimate...Obamacare, wasn't legitimate,
Heck.. Obama birth and his Presidency wasn't even legitimate...
You're a hypocritical azzhole to say Trump has "legitimate" power to do what he wants.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/14/2018 9:42 am

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Not only do I work for the IRS....I'm balding too....I'm old...I'm not wealthy.. I live alone.. got bad knees... I drink occasionally...I'm over weight... I use to live in California..and I didn't vote for the President in the last election.... I don't do as I think..I think as I do...And I don't type very well..

Of course, i do work for the IRS... and that alone, tells you all you need to know about me...

Now... What's your excuse?


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/16/2018 11:20 am

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You constantly assume .. I'm saying the opposite when I oppose you.. that's not the case..

When you say he has legitimate power.. You use that to connote rightful power to do anything..."
In my mind all power is "legitimate".. It's really not "power" if it's illegitimate....Illegally obtained power, power that's assumed, coercive power, or blackmail is not having real power to me.. but it seems you wish to make it that way by using the "legitimate power" as a coverall.

Semantically, we are at an impasse.... I feel "legitimate power" has limits... You seem to not want to make it that way, when it comes to Trump..
To make it converse...The Congress has the "legitimate power" to impeach, and as you will certainly feel ..if they excise that power...It would not be "legitimate".